Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:10:02 DofIamingo a écrit :
ch-1 j-7 brace yourself

Ca fait combien de semaines que tu dis ça?

Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:10:22 ]Traf a écrit :
Notes d'un traducteur de niggastream :
<spoil>Hello everyone, voxanimus here.

I wanted to talk a little about the Japanese culture and customs concerning the ritual of "exchanging sake cups," as a lot of it is referenced in this chapter and not all of it is as translatable into English as I'd like.

Throughout this and the last chapter, Barto and the others have been asking Luffy to become their "oyabun." That is the Japanese term for "boss," but it carries heavy connotations of "crime boss" and is used pretty much exclusively by the yakuza. I've been translating this as "boss," as there really isn't an equivalent English term. "Mafia boss" doesn't work because Luffy and the others aren't actually in the mafia.

Per yakuza custom, when a man is to become oyabun, and take on other men as his "kobun" (the word I've been translating as "underling"), both parties take part in the ritual of exchanging vows over a ceremonial cup of sake. The oyabun vows to protect his kobun as if they were his own children, and the kobun vow to listen to and lay down their lives for their oyabun; in fact, the kanji for "oya" and "ko" in "oyabun" and "kobun" are "parent" and "child," respectively. The mutuality of the proceeding is very important: normally, you can't have one without the other. Oyabun and kobun go hand-in-hand.

In this chapter, Oda turns this concept (one familiar to most Japanese people) on its head a little by having Luffy's underlings swear their vow of loyalty to Luffy in a sort of one-sided manner. Luffy himself doesn't commit to any responsibility (because he'd certainly be averse to anything of that sort) but his kobuns swear to protect him regardless. Thus, what is normally a "boss-underling vow" becomes only a "underling vow." This is why Franky and the other Straw Hat members find the other pirates' actions a little funny and strange.

The title of this chapter in Japanese is "子分盃," (kobun sakazuki) which literally means "underling's sake cup," but in both Japanese culture and throughout One Piece (ref. Sabo/Ace/Luffy vows as children) the ceremonial cup of sake (called a sakazuki) used in the exchanging of vows of loyalty metonymically replaces the concept of the vow itself. So I have translated this as "vow" rather than "sake cup" because the latter makes little sense in English.

Hope that helped shed some light on the finer points of this chapter, and why Luffy's underlings swearing one-sided loyalty is a funny/strange thing at all (to Japanese people). Leave your questions in the comments, I'll be around later to answer them.

Until next time.</spoil>

Wow, mais ça va oui les pavés ?

Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:09:54 Gnilfauk a écrit :

Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:09:04 Blackrich a écrit :
Au pire il le trouve pastrès bon c'est son avis, mon dieu

Trouver n'est pas affirmer.
Va falloir le comprendre sur ce topic.

Bah c'est clair que c'est son aivs personnel.

Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:11:45 Gnilfauk a écrit :
Wow, mais ça va oui les pavés ?

La fonction spoil fait des siennes !

Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:11:45 Gnilfauk a écrit :

Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:10:22 ]Traf a écrit :
Notes d'un traducteur de niggastream :
<spoil>Hello everyone, voxanimus here.

I wanted to talk a little about the Japanese culture and customs concerning the ritual of "exchanging sake cups," as a lot of it is referenced in this chapter and not all of it is as translatable into English as I'd like.

Throughout this and the last chapter, Barto and the others have been asking Luffy to become their "oyabun." That is the Japanese term for "boss," but it carries heavy connotations of "crime boss" and is used pretty much exclusively by the yakuza. I've been translating this as "boss," as there really isn't an equivalent English term. "Mafia boss" doesn't work because Luffy and the others aren't actually in the mafia.

Per yakuza custom, when a man is to become oyabun, and take on other men as his "kobun" (the word I've been translating as "underling"), both parties take part in the ritual of exchanging vows over a ceremonial cup of sake. The oyabun vows to protect his kobun as if they were his own children, and the kobun vow to listen to and lay down their lives for their oyabun; in fact, the kanji for "oya" and "ko" in "oyabun" and "kobun" are "parent" and "child," respectively. The mutuality of the proceeding is very important: normally, you can't have one without the other. Oyabun and kobun go hand-in-hand.

In this chapter, Oda turns this concept (one familiar to most Japanese people) on its head a little by having Luffy's underlings swear their vow of loyalty to Luffy in a sort of one-sided manner. Luffy himself doesn't commit to any responsibility (because he'd certainly be averse to anything of that sort) but his kobuns swear to protect him regardless. Thus, what is normally a "boss-underling vow" becomes only a "underling vow." This is why Franky and the other Straw Hat members find the other pirates' actions a little funny and strange.

The title of this chapter in Japanese is "子分盃," (kobun sakazuki) which literally means "underling's sake cup," but in both Japanese culture and throughout One Piece (ref. Sabo/Ace/Luffy vows as children) the ceremonial cup of sake (called a sakazuki) used in the exchanging of vows of loyalty metonymically replaces the concept of the vow itself. So I have translated this as "vow" rather than "sake cup" because the latter makes little sense in English.

Hope that helped shed some light on the finer points of this chapter, and why Luffy's underlings swearing one-sided loyalty is a funny/strange thing at all (to Japanese people). Leave your questions in the comments, I'll be around later to answer them.

Until next time.</spoil>

Wow, mais ça va oui les pavés ?

Oh ça va les quotes?

Impossible qu'il disparaisse purement et simplement comme ça, Oda l'a bien trop mis en valeur, on va forcément apprendre ce qu'il est devenu, je reste convaincu de ce que je dis

Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:11:33 Laoufette-kun a écrit :

Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:10:02 DofIamingo a écrit :
ch-1 j-7 brace yourself

Ca fait combien de semaines que tu dis ça?

Depuis Juillet

Impossible qu'il disparaisse purement et simplement comme ça, Oda l'a bien trop mis en valeur, on va forcément apprendre ce qu'il est devenu, je reste convaincu de ce que je dis

huhuhu

Le chap' est sympa mais sans plus quoi.

Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:12:34 DofIamingo a écrit :
Impossible qu'il disparaisse purement et simplement comme ça, Oda l'a bien trop mis en valeur, on va forcément apprendre ce qu'il est devenu, je reste convaincu de ce que je dis

C'est pas le meilleur chapitre, mais il reste plutôt cool ;) Ca reste mieux que la fin de l'arc de l'île des hommes poissons à mon goût ! J'ai hâte de voir les nouvelles primes, si vous avez vos estimations...

Usopp à 300 000 000

Après Oda oubliera pas Kaido, qui va sûrement démonter les 3 supernovas Une bataille à venir entre l'armée de Kaido et l'alliance des Mugis ?

Ce chapitre.

L'odeur de Fujitora le collabo.
L'odeur d'Hajrudin le géant qui boit une mini coupe de saké.
L'odeur des nains comme Leo dans l'alliance.
L'odeur des longs bras.
Cette foire aux monstres.
L'odeur de Luffy qui refuse de boire le saké parce que c'est pas halal.
L'odeur de Zoro le soiffard.

One Piece.

Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:17:20 Ryokugyu a écrit :
Ce chapitre.

L'odeur de Fujitora le collabo.
L'odeur d'Hajrudin le géant qui boit une mini coupe de saké.
L'odeur des nains comme Leo dans l'alliance.
L'odeur des longs bras.
Cette foire aux monstres.
L'odeur de Luffy qui refuse de boire le saké parce que c'est pas halal.
L'odeur de Zoro le soiffard.

One Piece.

Rien à dire sur Cavendish.

Il n'y a pas de note en effet, je l'ai rajouté comme ça parce que whalla.

Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:18:59 MortD a écrit :
Rien à dire sur Cavendish.

Cavenboss en même temps

+ Pour le cas Bellamy, oda n'a pas encore fait quitter les environs de dressrosa donc on sait jamais.

Très bon chapitre
Ce taste de merde ici

Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:23:59 DieuJuif6 a écrit :
Très bon chapitre
Ce taste de merde ici

MortD

Hakuba qui va tenter d'egorger Luffy durant la nuit *

Le 16 septembre 2015 à 16:18:59 MortD a écrit :
Rien à dire sur Cavendish.

Cavendish et Barto op, j'ai pas pu me résigner.