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Tennis Masters Cup 2007

luffy921
luffy921
Niveau 10
20 novembre 2007 à 00:24:12

"Bref, tout à coup beaucoup de joueurs qui sont aujourd´hui dans l´ombre de Fed auraient été considérés comme d´excellents joueurs, et non pas comme faisant parti d´une "concurrence faible" comme on les classe aujourd´hui. "

:d) Non mais comment tu oses dire par fanatisme que des haas, blake, ljubicic auraient dû être des légendes et des gagnants de Grand Chelem sans federer.
Même en 2002, ceux ci n´étaient que des que des joueurs de secondes catégories par rapport à sampras et agassi.

Et maintenant, faute de concurrents, on tente de mettre ses joueurs là comme s´ils étaient des grands :(

Le problème c´est qu´il n´y a aucun champion de la génération d´avant federer et c´est ce qui nous a mis dans la situation de 2003-2007 où sincèrement je ne vibre plus autant qu´avant durant les matchs :snif:

Sinon tu me fais une comparaison entre les adversaires de fed et ceux de sampras, comparons :

adversaires de federer : 6 GC
adversaires de sampras : 27 GC

ça fait une sacrée différence non ?

pirlose
pirlose
Niveau 6
20 novembre 2007 à 02:39:26

Ouais mais le débat est le même; est-ce Federer qui est trop fort ou bien as tu raison en déclarant que les adversaires ne sont pas assez forts...

luffy921
luffy921
Niveau 10
20 novembre 2007 à 11:23:05

Non mais comment tu explique qu´un agassi vétéran soit en finale d´un GC ? blake a perdu contre ce même agassi et baghdatis ce "joueur de légende" qui a perdu contre un agassi de 36 ans à l´UO 2006.

Même à 34 ans il mettait des déculotées à roddick et hewitt :rire:

Et puis les adversaires de sampras aux masters (courier, becker, agassi) c´est autre choses que les adversaires de federer.

Kelamon
Kelamon
Niveau 10
20 novembre 2007 à 11:48:36

Ton raisonnement ne tient pas, Luffy. Si tu comptes dans les 27 GC ceux d´Edberg, de Becker ou de Courier, on doit aussi compter les 14 GC de Sampras et les 8 d´Agassi pour Federer; soit 22 en plus.

luffy921
luffy921
Niveau 10
20 novembre 2007 à 12:32:34

t´es illogique pourquoi tu met sampras et agassi dans les adversaires de federer alors qu´ils ont 10 ans d´écart soit une génération de différence :(

Thomyorke29
Thomyorke29
Niveau 12
20 novembre 2007 à 12:36:13

De même qu´il faudrait alors attendre quelques années pour pouvoir ajouter ceux à venir de Nadal, Djokovic et d´autres joueurs connus ou pas pour l´instant et qui ne manqueront pas de gagner en grand chelem quand Fed montrera des signes de faiblesse.

"Non mais comment tu oses dire par fanatisme que des haas, blake, ljubicic auraient dû être des légendes et des gagnants de Grand Chelem sans federer. "

:d) j´ai jamais dit qu´ils seraient des légendes, et je n´ai meme pas parlé de ces joueurs là. Quand au vétéran Agassi qui battait encore les meilleurs en 2004-2005, ça n´a rien de choquant, il était juste au top à ce moment là, et si Blake ou Ljubicic avait joué agassi lors de sa traversée du désert à la fin des années 90, ils l´auraient battu sans problème, on ne peut donc pas comparer si aisément les performances.

sayth
sayth
Niveau 9
20 novembre 2007 à 19:31:10

Bon je sais pas où le poster donc je le poste là :
Voici l´interview de Nadal de fin d´année, ça peut peut-être permettre à certains de mieux comprendre le joueur (et peut-être de moins le mépriser).

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/Soy/mejor/tenista/puedo/correr/elpepidep/20071120elpepidep_1/Tes

Et voici sa traduction en anglais:

I´m a better player, but I can´t run

Rafael Nadal sprints kicking a ball 10 metres throughout Qi Zhong stadium´s ailes. After that, he enteres the locker room and starts juggling with Roger Federer. Nothing shows that the Swiss has just beated him 6-4 6-1 in the Master´s semifinals. Nadal, who says he´s done the best season of his life, take the ball and starts playing with the feet. "You are better than Maradona!", cheers Federer. Then, the number two in the world greets with his name the Chinese chauffer of his Mercedes and meets this newspaper.

Q: You´ve played all the year without preparing the fitness.

A: I´ve never said this because it sounds like an excuse. I don´t like to talk about injuries. I prepare my fitness every day, but I can´t run. Now, on the pre-season, I´m gonna try it. Since my foot problem in 2005, I´m more cautious and I avoid running. This is evident. I have to get the fitness by playing matches and it´s difficult because I don´t have a point of origin, a base.

Q: How have you offset it?

A: I swim, I run inside the swimming pool, I row, bike, eliptic machine... From experience, I know it´s not the same as running. It doesn´t get you the same confidence. It´s hard.

Q: That´s why you don´t do anymore the running counterattack that gave fame to you?

A: It´s all about daring to support your feet. I always got a high ball, long, that it was the best that I had. Unconsciously, my game has adapted to this little problems. Now, I don´t do it so aggressive, I take shorter steps, trying to not force that much. Psychologically you are down. You tell yourself "What a fucked up situation! if I could be as good physically as in 2005, with the better tennis player that I am now!"

Q: You´ve always played thinking on the number one. Now, Novak Djokovic threatens you for the number two.

A: I´ve always been more preocupied with the ones behind me than in front of me. Federer has always been far away. At certain point of the season, the press started printing that I could be the number one at the end of the year. In the year classification I ahead of him and he had to defend lots of things. The key match was Wimbledon´s final.

Q: What happened in the locker room after it? There are some gossips out there...

A: I handled the ceremony well to not act as a brat. When I arrived to the locker room , I sat down and, as it´s normal after losing the final of the tournament that you dream on winning, against the number one and with lots of chances, I started to cry of anger, of sadness. It´s been the only match of the year that I´ve cried and one of the few in my career. It was a really close match. I was 20 or 25 minutes there. When people started arriving, I sat down inside the tub. They were cheering up me. I thanked them and I asked for being alone. I don´t like people wintessing me crying.

Q: Your uncle and coach Toni even asked you if he should stop coaching you.

A: This year, when things were going bad at the beginning of the season, he suggested it. I said no. He was not the problem. I had enough courage to change the situation without needin another coach. Toni is and will be my coach.

Q: What have you learnt?

A: To be more patient. I have more experience. It´s important when things don´t go as good as expected. When things go wrong, I get nervous, but I know that the normal is that I have to end up playing well again. If it´s not tomorrow, it will be in two weeks, a month, or three or five. Once you´ve been in the top and you´ve demonstrated to yourself you can... For something exists the number two. One doesn´t go from the top to the bottom. It´s the most important of this year. I was 8 monthin titleless and I was anxious. When I won in Indian Wells, I began playing at a high level. Lots of times what you need is a "click".

Q: Have you changed your game to obtain it?

A: On Clay, I´ve gone a lot more to the net and I´ve changed my style a little bit but always with the base being my fighting and high intensity. Now I can go to the net and volley with more garanties. I´ve also improved my serve. I still need a bit more acceleration and that confidence that you get when your serve is 10-12 km/h quicker.

Q: You also need to be more aggressive in the rest.

A: I forget it a lot of times. It´s something I have to work on because it´s not easy for me. Until I see that I do it really badly, that I´m playing too defensive, I don´t realise that I have to be more aggressive.

Q: Are you more questioned that others about doping?

A: I don´t feel more chased than others, but I feel battered. I find lots of things ridiculous. When I finished Ferrer´s match I had to be until 00 there because I was not able to pee. I ate in the ground.

Q: Now a doping positive will be sanctioned with 4 years.

A: A Fenadol, a Vicks Vaporub... it´s doping. We have to be conscious that a little error is doping. I don´t know if Martina Hingis took cocaine. Do you think it can help her? Not for me. And, however, her public image is destroyed. I despise drugs, but there are things that can´t be. Players should be more supportive and all together, that´s when we have power, and protest. We need unity. I leave all December and I have to tell day by day where I´m gonna be. It´s ridiculous. You tell yourself "Who am I to be treated as a delinquent?".

Q: Why it looks like Federer is injury free?

A: Due to his calendar and the way he plays. Federar has innate conditions, and I´m sure that I do too, but with a lot more hard working. I don´t feel that I get more injured than the others. I feel that the minimal problem is translated into a huge problem. This year I only missed Marseille´s tournament.

Q: Didn´t you play injured Roland Garros´ final?

A: I played all Roland Garros with a numbing foot, infiltrated and with anesthesia. I didn´t want to go to the hospital to not have a small doubt in my head. I knew it was nothing serious. It was painful. I went to the hospital after the final and I had a small contusion.

Q: In 2005 your foot injury affected you. This year you´ve been resting 1 and a half month due to your knees. Did it affect you in the same way?

A: It´s different. I was seeing an exit. I knew what I had. I played because it was US Open, but I was not fresh mentally. I had some analysis in Mallorca and everything was quite bad: iron, defenses, ... The doctor gave me a one week rest and I went to Ibiza. It was one of the best weeks of my life.

Q: What did you think when Federer lost to González?

A: That it was a miracle.

Q: Is it a problem that the clay season is so concentrated?

A: It´s a big disadventage. I spend two months playing thousands of matches with the pressure of winning. Federer is different. He has a lots of weeks with nothing. I, without clay points, wouldn´t be in Shangai. I´ve done a very good season outside clay, but if something happens during it, I´ll be bad all the year.

Q: Do you feel saturated?

A: I arrived too exhausted to Hamburg. There was a moment when my head exploited, even more against Federer. I was playing a final every week for 4 or 5 weeks, with very hard matches and pressure. All the day I was thinking about the same. There´s a moment that you are tired.

Q: Chinese were suprised about your quiet personality and the aggressive image you have.

A: I don´t do anything else to be different than any other guy in his 20s. I´m a boy, a normal guy.

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