Basket Relative FAQ or "What UP means."
A lot of people tend to have a problem with the concept of basket relative. NBA2k8 uses basket relative principals extensively, and gives no way to change anything but the defense to absolute controls.
Basket Relative is actually easy to use, and completely intuitive once you get used to it. You use it right now, but aren´t aware of it. If you´re not aware of it, you cannot call the correct move you want, and end up guessing as to what move you´ll pull off. You´ll do the wrong one, miss the shot, and it will frustrate you.
Let´s start by envisioning yourself at the top of the key with a 2k or High camera angle. This means that the basket is directly in front of your player, or UP on the controller.
If you picture a clock, the 12 hand is up right now. 6 is Down. 3 is Right and 9 is left. The Clock face we are using connects with the SHOT STICK.
If you were to RT (Aggressive Modifier) and run straight towards the basket you would have 4 different Dunk options.
UP (12 on a clock) would give you a power dunk. Right (3) would give you a flashy dunk that´s less likely to go in, but looks better. Left (9) gives you the dunk with the best probability to go in untouched. Down (6) would give you a reverse dunk.
So if you´re a Power Dunk kinda player (Jermaine, Shaq, Al Jefferson, Etc.) you would probably want to do a Power Dunk, and it would be good within traffic. If you´re a Wade or James, you could do a flashy dunk on the break away. If you´re a barely dunker, you always want to use the Basic Dunk to just make sure it goes in. A reverse is also an option for a Wade or James.
That´s the control scheme for at the top of the key running at the basket. But what if you´re in the corner on the left hand side where Bruce Bowen sits to rain down that Jumper.
The Basket is now at 3 o´clock on a clock. To do the Power dunk, you´d hit RIGHT. To do the Flashy dunk you´d hit DOWN. To do the reverse dunk you´d right LEFT. To do a safe dunk you´d hit UP.
So UP is always the direction towards the basket. Down is always away from the basket.
What if you´re half way between the top of the key, and the corner on the 3 point line?
A Power dunk would now be at 2/3 o´clock. A reverse dunk would be at 8/7 o´clock. A Flashy Dunk would be at 4/5 o´clock. And a Basic dunk would be at 10/11 o´clock.
In Other words. A Power dunk is TOWARDS the basket, which happens to be midway between UP and RIGHT. A Reverse dunk is AWAY from the basket, which happens to be midway between DOWN and LEFT. Etc.
At this point you should understand Basket Relativeness.
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LAYUPS
There are many different types of layups. The main groupings are I´ll explain in two sections. Uncontested and In traffic.
UP (towards basket) - This is a simple layup with the highest likelyhood of going in on a fast break uncontested. This is the layup you want to use with a player with a bad layup rating on a fast break.
DOWN (away from the basket) - This is a floater layup. This can be like Mark Jackson´s flip over a big man, or Nash´s so you can visualize it. These have a higher likelyhood of missing, and should not be used uncontested. They are strictly for in the lane with traffic.
LEFT - Layup Left. Both are similar to UP unopposed meaning they should just go in.
RIGHT - Layup Right. Both are similar to UP unopposed meaning they should just go in.
But what if you´re in traffic? Now layups take on new roles.
UP (towards basket) - Create contact, Circus Shot layups. These layups are for serious traffic, and are a good call when you don´t know which direction the help defense may come in. A guy like Wade should often use these. A guy like Luke Ridnour should not.
Examples of what UP will do contested
Jump into the defense with your back, and throw the ball at the basket backwards. Dive straight into the defender and fling the ball up. A variety of these options.
If you have space left or right, it´s often better to use Left and Right unless you are a guy known for hitting tough layups.
DOWN (Away from the basket) - Avoid contact, Floaters, get over the big man. These layups are for when the defense is in front of you, but you have space between them. Nash, Tinsley, A variety of guys should use this.
Examples of when to use DOWN.
The basic tactic for this one is isomotioning past the first defender, and then the help defense comes and you float the ball over their head. Your point guard running towards their Center in the paint? You want to hit down.
LEFT - Layup Left. These involve understanding shading. Shading is what side the defender is on.
Examples of when you use LEFT (or RIGHT)
If the defender is on my Right foot preventing me driving right, I should use a size up isomotion right, cross left, and layup left to avoid the defender. If you´re going baseline, left and right will also help you finish around defenders. You´ll need to practice this to understand.
If you do LEFT running straight down the lane, your path will go to the edge of the paint on the left. You will not use the glass.
If you do UP/LEFT running straight down the lane, you will go the edge of the paint on the left, and throw it off the glass.
The Closer you start your layup to the basket, the more likely you will use the glass. These are not hard and fast rules. Court position matters.
RIGHT - Layup Right. Same thing.
1/2 Circle FAST - Spinning Layup.
Once you start to realize when certain layups will do what, you will understand when to use them. People tend to think of layups as random.
The best way to practice layups is practice, and development Attack the Basket/Triple Threat.
NOTE ON AGGRESSIVE MODIFIER AND LAYUPS
The aggressive modifier allows you to start the layup animation from further out. It also helps create contact, and often is the difference between a contest layup going in, and bouncing away. If you want to use the floater, you should hold RT (Aggressive modifier) while at the top of the key, let go of it, and hold DOWN (away from the basket) on the shot stick. This will allow you to start the layup animation even when normally X would not provide a layup. It would do a jumper.
I.E. Momentum is required to start layup animations instead of jumpers from farther out of the paint.
Manual Manipulation of layups and all moves is a key to doing exactly what you want to do.
GENERAL RULE FOR LAYUPS for those that don´t want to pay much attention.
If you have a big guy in front of you, push towards UP. If he´s in front of you, and to your left, Push towards UP/RIGHT. If he´s in front of you, and to your right, Push towards UP/LEFT. Push away from the defender.
Pressing UP increases the height the ball goes off the backboard.
Example.
A 7 foot defender is in front of you, shaded to your left. Picture the Clock.
You want to press at 1 o´clock. That will get the ball high to avoid the block, while still going RIGHT to avoid the defender.
If you only press at 3 o´clock (LEFT without as much UP) then it will not go high enough. You want to use this when a defender is more RIGHT than in front of you.
So where ever they are shaded, You know which layup to do.
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POST PLAY
The Basic Moves are
UP (towards the basket) - Hook Shot/Sky Hook
DOWN (away from basket) - Fade Away
LEFT/RIGHT - Side Step Shot
Aggressive Modified Moves are
UP (towards the basket) - Hook Shot/Sky Hook
DOWN (away from basket) - Fade Away
BALL HAND (the direction of the ball hand) - Dunk if you have a good post matchup.
OFF BALL HAND (The direction not the ball hand) - Spinning move. Could be a layup. Could be a hook. You spin that direction.
RT + LEFT ANALOG BALL HAND = Hook Drive. Very effective. Better the Offensive Post Player, the better.
Up and Unders
Close to the Basket
UP/UP - Up and Under Layup. Draws fouls, but not very effective.
RT; UP/UP - (Strong Player) Up and Under dunk. Really really effective. (Weak Player) Up and Under layup. Much less effective.
UP/DOWN - Same as UP/UP
RT; UP/DOWN - Same as UP/UP
UP/RIGHT(or LEFT) - Up and Under Jump shot fading the direction of the second direction.
RT; UP/RIGHT(or LEFT) - Same.
DOWN/DOWN - Up and Under Hook.
RT; DOWN/DOWN - Same.
DOWN/UP - SAME as UP/UP. DOWN and UP for FIRST DIRECTION are the same.
RIGHT/UP - SAME as UP/UP. RIGHT AND LEFT MATTER FOR RIGHT/RIGHT and LEFT/LEFT THOUGH.
WHEN DOES RIGHT AND LEFT MATTER ON FIRST DIRECTION?
They indicate which direction your layup will go. You want to pay attention to SHADING. If the defender is leaning on your left side. You want to start RIGHT. If they are leaning on your right side, start LEFT.
RIGHT/RIGHT - Up and Under Layup to the Right.
LEFT/RIGHT - Up and Under Layup to the Left.
Far From the Basket
Note: Need to finish this section. Up and Unders change to Up... Fake create space, Jumper. Write this out fully.
Triple Threat Post
The first thing to know is how to engage the triple threat post.
1. Pass the Ball into the post. Post Player should be deep in the post. Don´t move.
2. Hold Rt then let go. Post should be activated.
You are now engaged in the Triple Threat Post.
Triple Threat Post Basic Moves
UP with LEFT Analog - Used to create space in 2k7, now starts a normal backdown
DOWN with LEFT Analog - Disengages Post with space. You´re now in a normal triple threat. You can reengage post with RT.
LEFT/RIGHT with LEFT Analog - nothing.
To be added when someone helps me out.
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STOPING THE DOUBLE TEAM EVERY TIME
Hold Left Block(LB) and tap A(pass button) as fast as you can. One of a few things will happen
1. You will pass the ball to your man.
2. You will pass the ball out of the double team, but it will be stolen (rare)
3. You will lock up for a jump ball.
.... Unless someone knows what you know.
The Defender and the Offensive player fight with tapping buttons. Whoever taps the most wins. So since they don´t know how to stop it, you will never lose the ball.
Another option is to allow them to get their hands on the ball, then tap A(Pass Button). That will force the jump ball if you´re in a bad position to pass out.
Last Year I was able to create a foul every time they double teamed me. I need someone to jump online and test things with me to show if this still works. So maybe more to come.
My Guess is this year they removed the foul you every time, to now allow you to pass out. I think it was a good move honestly.
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FORCING A PICK AND ROLL SWITCH
Here´s how I do it for space, you can do it without the first step.
1. Call Isolation
2. Call Pick an roll
3. Get defender into the pick
4. Dive at the help defense
5. Tap and engage post up for half a second.
You have your switch.
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(Association Section)
Association Practice Effects Duration
Light = 1 Day
Normal = 2 Days
Intense = 3 Days
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J´arrive plus a retrouver ceux pour la défense , mais pour l´attaque , j´ai deux autres liens qui peuvent servir aussi ..
http://www.2ksports.com/fforums/showthread.php?t=146369
http://www.sportsgamer.com/content/1180/nba-2k8-breaking-down-your-defender/
