Salut, on va reprendre naruto de 0 en stream si ça intéresse des gens https://discord.gg/VPEurY3

Ça aurait été mieux que les équipes soit ça :

Gai Maito (Taijutsu) :
- Rock Lee
- Hinata Hyûga
- Neji Hyûga

Kurenaï Yûhi (Genjutsu)
- Sakura Haruno
- Tenten
- Kiba Inuzuka

Asuma Sarutobi (Katon - Feu) :
- Sasuke Uchiwa
- Naruto Uzumaki (Futon - Vent) ici car le Feu est le point faible du vent
- Shino Aburame

Pour les 3 derniers étant des clans avec des techniques spéciaux, il faut le meilleur

Kakashi Hatake (Raiton- électrique) :
- Chôji Akimichi
- Shikamaru Nara
- Ino Yamanaka

Le 08 août 2020 à 11:04:00 Faucheur166 a écrit :
Ça aurait été mieux que les équipes soit ça :

Gai Maito (Taijutsu) :
- Rock Lee
- Hinata Hyûga
- Neji Hyûga

Kurenaï Yûhi (Genjutsu)
- Sakura Haruno
- Tenten
- Kiba Inuzuka

Asuma Sarutobi (Katon - Feu) :
- Sasuke Uchiwa
- Naruto Uzumaki (Futon - Vent) ici car le Feu est le point faible du vent
- Shino Aburame

Pour les 3 derniers étant des clans avec des techniques spéciaux, il faut le meilleur

Kakashi Hatake (Raiton- électrique) :
- Chôji Akimichi
- Shikamaru Nara
- Ino Yamanaka

Le 08 août 2020 à 11:04:00 Faucheur166 a écrit :
Ça aurait été mieux que les équipes soit ça :

Gai Maito (Taijutsu) :
- Rock Lee
- Hinata Hyûga
- Neji Hyûga

Kurenaï Yûhi (Genjutsu)
- Sakura Haruno
- Tenten
- Kiba Inuzuka

Asuma Sarutobi (Katon - Feu) :
- Sasuke Uchiwa
- Naruto Uzumaki (Futon - Vent) ici car le Feu est le point faible du vent
- Shino Aburame

Pour les 3 derniers étant des clans avec des techniques spéciaux, il faut le meilleur

Kakashi Hatake (Raiton- électrique) :
- Chôji Akimichi
- Shikamaru Nara
- Ino Yamanaka

M'étonnerait que ce soit pertinent ce genre de chose mais bon :

On fait comment si l'unité Gaï se retrouve face à un adverse qui se bat à distance ?

Si l'unité "Genjustsu" se retrouve à affronter un ennemi insensible au genjutsu ?

Je pense que t'as compris pourquoi c'est une mauvaise idée

I’m fairly sure at this point that Naruto is more or less fascist propaganda. There are so many things that we as a fandom want to turn a blind eye to yet when SNK was called out for being fascist, we had no problem boycotting it because it wasnt an anime that we’d come to love throughout our childhood. Unfortunately Naruto was a lot more subtle and pulled a fast one on us towards the end - 14/15 years after its initial release.

Theres a lot of intricate reasons as to why I’d call it fascist but I’ll list the general points to be made that everyone can easily recognize.

• Genocide for the good of the nation. This one is pretty obvious but I thought I’d get it out of the way. Slaughtering possible defectors of the state is apparently an honourable and justified choice. Even if some members of the oppressed minority were completely unaware of their leaders planned coup or had no desire to revolt against the system, each and every single one of them apparently deserved death.

• Brainwashing children into military violence goes completely unquestioned by the narrative. The only people who challenge this idea are portrayed as “hateful.” The best example of this is how the narrative feels the need to emphasize that Itachi murdering his clan was his own decision. I just find it awfully strange that we’re expected to believe that a 13 year old, who was sent to fight in a bloody war for his country when he was just a toddler and was shown to suffer from severe PTSD, apparently wasnt brainwashed with threats of war on his impressionable child brain when he was already completely numb to the concept of killing people. Itachis history details the story of a brainwashed child soldier yet goes to great efforts to brush it aside and give Itachi the autonomy that he never actually had. On a meta level it’s pretty messed up that Itachis actions as a result of his brainwashing, was praised by Hashirama Senju - the ultimate force of “peace” who founded the village and “the will of fire” that were so expected to admire.

• Consistent denial of blatant military violence. In the manga, the truth about the Uchiha massacre is covered up by Naruto, Sasuke and eventually Sakura to “maintain honour of the Uchiha.” This makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever. How is it more honourable to say that a clan was slaughtered by a rogue criminal of their own (further perpetuating the selfish, bloodthirsty and power-hungry stereotype) when the truth is that an oppressed group of people were slaughtered off by the government? How can an act of genocide be prevented by a future government when the truth is actively censored by the governemnt? Neither Naruto nor Sasuke did anything to implement some sort of bill of human rights, laws or Geneva conventions in honour of Uchiha to prevent more innocent bloodshed at the hands of the state.

• Ultranationalism at every opportunity. The village is literally gated off. No one enters or leaves without permission from authority. The unification of the village under the statist military + the slaughter of any and all potential defectors is pretty telling. Its scary that “the will of fire” and protecting the state is the only honourable and good goal/ideology to have in this series as shown by Sasuke only ever being seen as “not evil” when he is beaten down into conforming to the government.

• Evil is in the genetics of the oppressed. This was pretty unsettling to witness and I’m surprised there havent been more people speaking out about it. Ideologies are inherited not just by fate, but by your genetics. The Senju-Uzumaki obviously have “The will of fire” which is known to be the supreme ideology. It consists of uniting and enduring the hardships of the world under the totalitarian government but NEVER pursuing revolution or change for the better. “The curse of hatred” is its counterpart which has its origins exclusively to the Uchiha. Its explained to be Uchiha culture to some degree. The narrative very desperately tries to paint the pursuit of revolution to prevent more violence as evil, bloodthirsty and selfish. This, in reality, makes no sense. Why are the Uchiha hateful for trying to fix a situation for the better of their family yet somehow the senju arent characterized by hatred despite openly hating the Uchiha? Simply put, the Uchiha are GENETICALLY undesirable and their push for equal rights are characterized as hateful, selfish and lonely. In reality, Madara Uchiha would not become a rogue ninja who decides to attack the entire village including his own family with Kurama because he could not get equal rights for the Uchiha. This doesnt add up with why he was so angry in the first place. Non of the “bloodthirsty” actions of any Uchiha do. They’re a fictional race of people that are only evil by the design of the author to portray oppressed people as selfish and aggressive. Towards the end of the fourth war, the story of Ashura and Indra is told to Naruto and Sasuke. Indra is apparently the original Uchiha who was influenced by some deranged evil spirit to pursue power over unification for completely selfish purposes. This is very unfairly equated to Sasuke and the rest of the Uchiha clan to explain to audience that the Uchiha are inherently evil and selfish detractors.

• To be a revolutionary is to be lonely. This ties into my last point. Sasuke is constantly referred to as lonely by just about everyone in the cast, Naruto especially. This has always been bothersome because Sasuke wouldnt have been lonely if his entire clan wasnt slaughtered by the very same people that Naruto stands by. This point is incredibly simple yet its overlooked because the anti-uchiha propaganda is so successful in what it sets out to do. To add onto this point, what if Naruto had simply said to Sasuke “I believe you have every right to bring the murderer of your clan to justice and I’ll stand by your right to justice every step of the way” instead of physically fighting him and screaming at him all the time? Sasuke isnt inherently lonely exclusively by his own means, he is alienated by everyone around him. The narrative acknowledges Sasukes emotional unfulfillment, IGNORES the real reason why hes lonely and then states that the only way that Sasuke will find a sense of family through the acceptance of his peers is if he conforms to the government and adopts the hegemonic ideology…. after “repenting” for ever daring to get justice for his clan in the first place. This eerie emotional blackmail is completely normalized and unquestioned by the narrative. It sends a harrowing message to the audience that it’s more desirable and fulfilling to conform to the government despite their poor treatment of your people and should you question otherwise, you must repent for forgiveness.

• The leader of the village is the most powerful member of the military, who is chosen exclusively through nepotism by a rich man who owns the land instead of the people, and is in power for an indeterminate length of time. Again with the military obsession! Not even necessarily the best military commander or anyone with experience in any leadership position at all. This is partly fascist due to the fact that theres no limitations on what a Kage can do to their village, they’re selected through nepotism and not democracy and they’re in power for as long as they please no matter how the public feel. The leader is not necessarily someone who is shown to be compassionate, responsible, trustworthy, intelligent or reliable. In fact, you could be a known, unpersecuted war criminal like Danzo and still get the position.

• To add on to that, war criminals in the Government or Military go completely unpersecuted and often unpunished - as shown by Danzo and the village elders. The village elders are still in the same position during the events of Boruto as they were in over 20 years ago when they conspired to execute the Uchiha massacre. Naruto and Sasuke know of their involvement yet havent held them accountable in any way.

• Child soldiers are sent to die for the government. It seems that only Obito notices this when Rin dies. The second he becomes critical of the fact of this reality is the second he becomes “hateful” and “evil.“

Theres plenty more but I’ve already spent an hour typing this up and checking over every little detail. Generally speaking, much like SNK, the theme of Naruto is to just simply ENDURE hardship, stay loyal to your government at all costs even if they cause the hardship and NEVER revolt. Naruto as a character serves as the purpose of being as reductive as possible to every single character that faces hardship with "I too was lonely and oppressed but I coped by worshipping the government for a sense of emotional validation and you can too!"

Source : https://anti-endings.tumblr.com/

32 ans et je commence Naruto, j'en suis au tome 4 et c'est vraiment bien pour le moment. C'est un classique que je me devais de lire.

Ya pas d'âge pour apprécier cette oeuvre. Elle enseigne beaucoup de choses et met en avant plusieurs points de vues et des valeurs intéressantes !!

Naruto c’est aussi culte que dbz meme si dbz reste 1

Oui DBZ ça reste largement le numéro 1

Le 31 août 2020 à 00:33:16 Pseudo supprimé a écrit :

I’m fairly sure at this point that Naruto is more or less fascist propaganda. There are so many things that we as a fandom want to turn a blind eye to yet when SNK was called out for being fascist, we had no problem boycotting it because it wasnt an anime that we’d come to love throughout our childhood. Unfortunately Naruto was a lot more subtle and pulled a fast one on us towards the end - 14/15 years after its initial release.

Theres a lot of intricate reasons as to why I’d call it fascist but I’ll list the general points to be made that everyone can easily recognize.

• Genocide for the good of the nation. This one is pretty obvious but I thought I’d get it out of the way. Slaughtering possible defectors of the state is apparently an honourable and justified choice. Even if some members of the oppressed minority were completely unaware of their leaders planned coup or had no desire to revolt against the system, each and every single one of them apparently deserved death.

• Brainwashing children into military violence goes completely unquestioned by the narrative. The only people who challenge this idea are portrayed as “hateful.” The best example of this is how the narrative feels the need to emphasize that Itachi murdering his clan was his own decision. I just find it awfully strange that we’re expected to believe that a 13 year old, who was sent to fight in a bloody war for his country when he was just a toddler and was shown to suffer from severe PTSD, apparently wasnt brainwashed with threats of war on his impressionable child brain when he was already completely numb to the concept of killing people. Itachis history details the story of a brainwashed child soldier yet goes to great efforts to brush it aside and give Itachi the autonomy that he never actually had. On a meta level it’s pretty messed up that Itachis actions as a result of his brainwashing, was praised by Hashirama Senju - the ultimate force of “peace” who founded the village and “the will of fire” that were so expected to admire.

• Consistent denial of blatant military violence. In the manga, the truth about the Uchiha massacre is covered up by Naruto, Sasuke and eventually Sakura to “maintain honour of the Uchiha.” This makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever. How is it more honourable to say that a clan was slaughtered by a rogue criminal of their own (further perpetuating the selfish, bloodthirsty and power-hungry stereotype) when the truth is that an oppressed group of people were slaughtered off by the government? How can an act of genocide be prevented by a future government when the truth is actively censored by the governemnt? Neither Naruto nor Sasuke did anything to implement some sort of bill of human rights, laws or Geneva conventions in honour of Uchiha to prevent more innocent bloodshed at the hands of the state.

• Ultranationalism at every opportunity. The village is literally gated off. No one enters or leaves without permission from authority. The unification of the village under the statist military + the slaughter of any and all potential defectors is pretty telling. Its scary that “the will of fire” and protecting the state is the only honourable and good goal/ideology to have in this series as shown by Sasuke only ever being seen as “not evil” when he is beaten down into conforming to the government.

• Evil is in the genetics of the oppressed. This was pretty unsettling to witness and I’m surprised there havent been more people speaking out about it. Ideologies are inherited not just by fate, but by your genetics. The Senju-Uzumaki obviously have “The will of fire” which is known to be the supreme ideology. It consists of uniting and enduring the hardships of the world under the totalitarian government but NEVER pursuing revolution or change for the better. “The curse of hatred” is its counterpart which has its origins exclusively to the Uchiha. Its explained to be Uchiha culture to some degree. The narrative very desperately tries to paint the pursuit of revolution to prevent more violence as evil, bloodthirsty and selfish. This, in reality, makes no sense. Why are the Uchiha hateful for trying to fix a situation for the better of their family yet somehow the senju arent characterized by hatred despite openly hating the Uchiha? Simply put, the Uchiha are GENETICALLY undesirable and their push for equal rights are characterized as hateful, selfish and lonely. In reality, Madara Uchiha would not become a rogue ninja who decides to attack the entire village including his own family with Kurama because he could not get equal rights for the Uchiha. This doesnt add up with why he was so angry in the first place. Non of the “bloodthirsty” actions of any Uchiha do. They’re a fictional race of people that are only evil by the design of the author to portray oppressed people as selfish and aggressive. Towards the end of the fourth war, the story of Ashura and Indra is told to Naruto and Sasuke. Indra is apparently the original Uchiha who was influenced by some deranged evil spirit to pursue power over unification for completely selfish purposes. This is very unfairly equated to Sasuke and the rest of the Uchiha clan to explain to audience that the Uchiha are inherently evil and selfish detractors.

• To be a revolutionary is to be lonely. This ties into my last point. Sasuke is constantly referred to as lonely by just about everyone in the cast, Naruto especially. This has always been bothersome because Sasuke wouldnt have been lonely if his entire clan wasnt slaughtered by the very same people that Naruto stands by. This point is incredibly simple yet its overlooked because the anti-uchiha propaganda is so successful in what it sets out to do. To add onto this point, what if Naruto had simply said to Sasuke “I believe you have every right to bring the murderer of your clan to justice and I’ll stand by your right to justice every step of the way” instead of physically fighting him and screaming at him all the time? Sasuke isnt inherently lonely exclusively by his own means, he is alienated by everyone around him. The narrative acknowledges Sasukes emotional unfulfillment, IGNORES the real reason why hes lonely and then states that the only way that Sasuke will find a sense of family through the acceptance of his peers is if he conforms to the government and adopts the hegemonic ideology…. after “repenting” for ever daring to get justice for his clan in the first place. This eerie emotional blackmail is completely normalized and unquestioned by the narrative. It sends a harrowing message to the audience that it’s more desirable and fulfilling to conform to the government despite their poor treatment of your people and should you question otherwise, you must repent for forgiveness.

• The leader of the village is the most powerful member of the military, who is chosen exclusively through nepotism by a rich man who owns the land instead of the people, and is in power for an indeterminate length of time. Again with the military obsession! Not even necessarily the best military commander or anyone with experience in any leadership position at all. This is partly fascist due to the fact that theres no limitations on what a Kage can do to their village, they’re selected through nepotism and not democracy and they’re in power for as long as they please no matter how the public feel. The leader is not necessarily someone who is shown to be compassionate, responsible, trustworthy, intelligent or reliable. In fact, you could be a known, unpersecuted war criminal like Danzo and still get the position.

• To add on to that, war criminals in the Government or Military go completely unpersecuted and often unpunished - as shown by Danzo and the village elders. The village elders are still in the same position during the events of Boruto as they were in over 20 years ago when they conspired to execute the Uchiha massacre. Naruto and Sasuke know of their involvement yet havent held them accountable in any way.

• Child soldiers are sent to die for the government. It seems that only Obito notices this when Rin dies. The second he becomes critical of the fact of this reality is the second he becomes “hateful” and “evil.“

Theres plenty more but I’ve already spent an hour typing this up and checking over every little detail. Generally speaking, much like SNK, the theme of Naruto is to just simply ENDURE hardship, stay loyal to your government at all costs even if they cause the hardship and NEVER revolt. Naruto as a character serves as the purpose of being as reductive as possible to every single character that faces hardship with "I too was lonely and oppressed but I coped by worshipping the government for a sense of emotional validation and you can too!"

Source : https://anti-endings.tumblr.com/

les sasuke qui sont des natifs américains?
konoha qui est en fait un gouvernement totalitaire

Les gars j'ai jamais compris pourquoi Hiruzen est limite exécrable avec Naruto ?

Il aurait dû mener une politique visant à faire passer Naruto comme un héros, au-lieu de ça il a laissé la haine s'accumuler envers ce dernier sans jamais rien faire, il aurait quand même pu lui dire qui étaient ses parents, qu'ils ont sauvés le village etc.

Je comprends pas du tout le comportement du 3e, laisser Naruto dans le flou total sans jamais l'aidé ...

Le 11 novembre 2020 à 06:11:00 WinterfelI a écrit :
Les gars j'ai jamais compris pourquoi Hiruzen est limite exécrable avec Naruto ?

Il aurait dû mener une politique visant à faire passer Naruto comme un héros, au-lieu de ça il a laissé la haine s'accumuler envers ce dernier sans jamais rien faire, il aurait quand même pu lui dire qui étaient ses parents, qu'ils ont sauvés le village etc.

Je comprends pas du tout le comportement du 3e, laisser Naruto dans le flou total sans jamais l'aidé ...

Un village, ici dirigé par le Hokage, a intérêt à ce que le moins de monde possible sache identifier le réceptacle du village car ce dernier a une fâcheuse tendance à être la cible de tentatives d'assassinats que ce soit de la part de résidents ou d'étrangers.

Quand tu vois ce qui est arrivé à Bee ou Gaara pendant toute leur vie... et pour le développement de Naruto ça l'a rendu extrêmement fort psychologiquement. Le personnage, très sensible, a ressenti sans comprendre la crainte et le rejet qu'il inspirait chez certains adultes qui connaissaient son identité et sans cette étape le "Talk no jutsu" n'aurait jamais pu exister

Bref, Itachi laisse aussi son petit frère dans le flou total sur ses réelles motivations... c'est la vision d'adultes qui savent causer du mal en un sens mais qui estiment que c'est préférable et qu'à terme ça permet la survie de l'enfant ou en tout cas d'optimiser son espérence de vie.

Et c'est faut de dire que le 3e l'a jamais aidé. Il lui a léguer la volonté du feu... faut vraiment reprendre ce manga dès fois car beaucoup ont du mal avec certains ressorts psychologiques !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDz-e64Vqr0

Je m'ennui aujourd'hui. J'ai une question.

Est-ce qu'un utilisateur du Byakugan, peux voir à travers ses paupières fermées ?

Le 16 novembre 2020 à 20:32:23 geinkai a écrit :
Je m'ennui aujourd'hui. J'ai une question.

Est-ce qu'un utilisateur du Byakugan, peux voir à travers ses paupières fermées ?

Non

Le 16 novembre 2020 à 20:37:45 Irin-chan a écrit :

Le 16 novembre 2020 à 20:32:23 geinkai a écrit :
Je m'ennui aujourd'hui. J'ai une question.

Est-ce qu'un utilisateur du Byakugan, peux voir à travers ses paupières fermées ?

Non

Pourtant ce serait logique.

Si ils peuvent

Salut. Je me posais une question : Qu'est-ce que Danzo a fait de bien dans la série ? Est-ce qu'à un moment on mentionne un truc qui a pu être éviter grâce à lui et ses méthodes ?

Le Sandaime a dit qu'il l'a laissé là pour une raison (soi-disant pour "gérer" les ténèbres du village, hein )

Il a fait quoi à part détruire Kabuto, sa mère, séparer leur famille toute entière, créer Pain et donc indirectement détruire le village, se servir de l'excuse de ce même Pain pour subtiliser le poste d'Hokage en disant que c'est la faute à Jiraiya si le village est détruit et que donc aucun de ses potes ne pouvait devenir Hokage alors que c'est grâce à Naruto lui-même disciple de Jiraiya si y a pas eu de morts en plus de la destruction (causée par Danzo) et bien entendu génocider les Uchiwas/Uchihas alors que le Koto Amatsukami de Shishui aurait tout régler, bien entendu il a pris leurs yeux après, il s'est servi le bougre !

Il a fait quoi ?

Le 06 décembre 2020 à 16:47:11 geinkai a écrit :
Salut. Je me posais une question : Qu'est-ce que Danzo a fait de bien dans la série ? Est-ce qu'à un moment on mentionne un truc qui a pu être éviter grâce à lui et ses méthodes ?

Le Sandaime a dit qu'il l'a laissé là pour une raison (soi-disant pour "gérer" les ténèbres du village, hein )

Il a fait quoi à part détruire Kabuto, sa mère, séparer leur famille toute entière, créer Pain et donc indirectement détruire le village, se servir de l'excuse de ce même Pain pour subtiliser le poste d'Hokage en disant que c'est la faute à Jiraiya si le village est détruit et que donc aucun de ses potes ne pouvait devenir Hokage alors que c'est grâce à Naruto lui-même disciple de Jiraiya si y a pas eu de morts en plus de la destruction (causée par Danzo) et bien entendu génocider les Uchiwas/Uchihas alors que le Koto Amatsukami de Shishui aurait tout régler, bien entendu il a pris leurs yeux après, il s'est servi le bougre !

Il a fait quoi ?

Absolument rien.
En vrai Sandaime est un vrai incompétent. Sa passivité a fait énormément du mal au village. Comment tolérer des gars comme Danzo, Orochimaru etc.

Danzo est néanmoins l'un des personnages les mieux écrits de Naruto alors que le manga en contient déjà une multitude. Et ne pas oublier qu'on peut imputer au Nidaïme ce côté froid et calculateur qu'il a acquis avec le temps. C'est toujours cette histoire de transmission de la volonté du feu ou de la haine.

Danzo est resté toute sa vie un fervent défenseur de Konoha. Il a été traumatisé par le fait que Hiruzen lui soit légèrement supérieur sans qu'il ne parvienne à le dépasser alors que c'était son objectif depuis tout jeune. la rivalité s'est transformé en haine, en raison de vivre, en obsession. Le moment fatidique étant celui où ses émotions l'ont fait hésiter avant de se désigner comme celui qui se sacrifierait pour les autres lorsqu'ils étaient encerclés par les soldats de Kumo.
Ce moment est la bascule ultime de Danzo, il a alors commencé à se haïr, à haïr ses émotions et à épouser la philosophie du "la fin justifie les moyens" pour atteindre son objectif de devenir Hokage et de dépasser Hiruzen. Et c'est pour ça qu'à la Racine les émotions sont totalement proscrites. Danzo est devenu froid, froid et calculateur voire sans aucune pitié en gardant en ligne de mire la protection de Konoha. Au dernier instant de sa vie, il revient sur sa rivalité avec Hiruzen et se demande quelle image ce dernier a maintenant de lui, il repense à son ancien "lui" plein d'émotions et de rivalité saine avec son ami d'enfance.

Le personnage de Danzo apporte au lecteur un côté sombre, la racine, des machinations froides, des tentatives d'assassinats, des complots pour destituer et montre ce que quelqu'un peut devenir et comment il peut influer sur les plus jeunes en rendant leurs vies dramatiques (Kabuto, Saï...). Hiruzen, Jiraiya ou Naruto ont toujours refusé de se résoudre à simplement éliminer leur ami d'enfance et membre du village car ils pensent différemment et sont empreints d'une vision que l'auteur fait se transmettre de génération en génération jusqu'à ce que l'un d'entre eux y parviennent... parvienne à faire revenir des ténèbres un membre considéré comme perdu et à éliminer ! Danzo reste l'échec du Nidaïme, Orochimaru celui de Hiruzen, sasuke celui de Kakashi, etc.

Faut relire le manga sous un autre angle les gars

Je ne sais pas si ça intéressera des gens, mais je possède un forum dédié à l'univers de Naruto (pas exclusivement, il y a également d'autres sections pour parler de plein de choses différentes), il est tombé à l'abandon depuis quelques années et j'aimerai le faire renaitre de ses cendres, faute au fait que je me sois remis à lire les Naruto et sa nouvelle réédition.

Si vous êtes intéressé(e)s venez en mp et je vous donnerai le lien

2006!!