oui m´enfin pour l´AR enfin ça n´engage que moi, je pense que c´est préférable de ne l´utiliser qu´une fois que tu connais bien le jeu etq ue tu as testé des tas de styles de combat, etc que tu as fini le jeu de façon normale.
Ca gache pas mal de plaisir en définitive et le jeu n´est plus " tactique" c´est du bourrinage.. Enfin ça n´engage que moi, puis tu as tellement de fierté à réussir un coup/vol/invitation de façon " normale" que c´est dommage de s´en priver!
De plus les items rares sont limités ( sauf avec de longs et fastidieux poach) d´où l´intérêt d´élaborer des stratégies de combat adéquates, chose complètement inexistente avec l´AR..

c´est vraix que l´AR m´a gacher bien des jeux quand jetai plus jeune mais maintenent j´ai bien retiendu la leçon

mais sa peut etre bien pour les jeux beaucoup trop dificil et presque infinissable mais sa arive que sa fasse bloquer le jeux et sa c´est asser con surtout si t´avais une bonne sauvegarde et que tu es obliger de recommencer

Moi la j´ai une partie ou je suis avant d´aller a Orborne Monastery,donc la fin,mais je prefere me booster parce que les combats de Murond Death City m´ont bien fait galérer l´autre fois,meme avec l´AR!

J´essaye le Deep Dungeon la,mais on y voit rien c´est chaud!
Et je n´ai trouvé que 2 malheureuses Phoenix Drop,je m´attendais a mieux.
J´ai battu tous les ennemis de Nogias,et pourtant il n´y a pas de niveau apres,il faut trouver une sortie c´est ca?

c´est cela même, mais SURTOUT ne fais pas la bêtise de rater les bons items : prends rafa avec toi, baisse son Brave à 10/12 et mets lui move find item et un septiemson si tu as, ou un vanish mantle et ensuite soit tu es patient et tu fais TOUTES les cases, soit récup une soluce indiquant les emplacements des items. Bonne chance!

Tin je trouve meme pas la sortie de NOGIAS, autant les ennemis je les fumes!

J´ai renvoyé Rafa de ma team il y a bien longtemps en plus :/

Je vais chercher des ´pics sur le sujet

Ah j´ai trouvé la liste^^

Mais quand ils disent ( 2,2), le 1er chiffre c´est en allant de gauche a droite,ou de bas en haut?

Arf et comment savoir dans quel angle la caméra doit etre?

C´est trop chaud!

Voilà ce que j´ai utilisé c´est très lisible et on se repère facilement grâce aux hauteurs des cases.

Attention cop/col:
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_tactics_move_find_item_a.txt

5.9 Deep Dungeon 1: NOGIAS

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8 | 22| 24| 24| 24| 24| 24| 24| 24| 24| 24|
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7 |21~| 20|19~| 18| 18| 17| 18| 24| 24| 24|
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6 |20*| 20| 18| 18| 16| 14| 16| 16| 18|17E|
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5 | 10| 10|11~| 12| 13| 14| 16| 16| 17| 17|
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4 | 9 | 10| 10| 11| 13| 13| 15| 16| 16|17*|
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3 | 9 | 8~| 8 | 7 | 7 | 7 | 6 | 6 | 7E| 7 |
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2 | 0 | 1 | 7 | 7 | 7 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 4~| 3 |
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1 | 0 | 1E| 1 | 1E| 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
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0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 2E|
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| 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 |

Rare/Common:
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (0,6) [Panel of height 20]
Glacier Gun/Phoenix Down: (0,9) [Panel of height 22]
Kiyomori/Phoenix Down: (9,4) [Panel of height 17]
Blaze Gun/Phoenix Down: (2,2) [Panel of height 7]

Exits:
(1,1)
(3,1)
(8,3)
(9,0)
(9,6)

5.10 Deep Dungeon 2: TERMINATE

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11| 9 | 11| 12| 12| 13| 13| 11| 10| 12|
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10| 8 | 10| 9*| 11| 12| 10| 10| 10| 9 |
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9 | 8E| 11| 9 | 9 | 10| 9 | 11| 11| 7 |
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8 | 6 | 7 | 7 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 10| 8 | 6 |
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7 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 6 | 6*| 7 | 6 |
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6 | 5 | 7 | 7 | 7 | 5 | 5 | 7 | 7 | 4 |
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5 | 4 | 7 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 6 | 5 | 3 |
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4 | 4 | 5E| 6 | 6 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 2 |
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3 | 5 | 5 | 7 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 5 | 2 |
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2 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 1 |
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1 | 1*| 2 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 1E| 3 | 2 |
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0 | 1E| 2 | 2 | 0 | 0*| 3 | 1 | 1 | 2E|
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| 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 |

Rare/Common:
Save the Queen/Phoenix Down: (0,1) [Panel of height 1]
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (2,10) [Panel of height 9]
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (4,0) [Panel of height 0]
Blood Sword/Phoenix Down: (6,7) [Panel of height 6]

Exits:
(0,0)
(0,9)
(1,4)
(6,1)
(8,0)

5.11 Deep Dungeon 3: DELTA

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14| 1 | 1 | X | X | 0 | 0 | 0 | X | X | 0 |
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13| 1 | 0 | X | X | 0 | 0 | 0 | X | X | 0 |
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12| 0 | 0 | 0 | X | X | X | X | X | 0 | 0 |
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11| 0 | 0 | 1 | 1E| 0 | X | X | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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10| 0 | 0~| 1 | X | X | X | X | 0 | 0 | X |
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9 | 0 | 2 | 4 | X | 0 | X | 0 |4~*| 2 | X |
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8 | 1 | 0~| X | X | 0 | 0 | 2~| 6E| 0E| 0 |
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7 | X | X | X | X | X | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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6 | X |0~*| 1 | X | X | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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5 | X | X | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | X | X | X |
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4 | X | X | 0 | 0 | 0 | X | X | X | X | X |
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3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |1~*| X | X | X | 0~|
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2 | X | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0E| 1 |
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1 | X | 0E| 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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0 | X | X | X | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | X | X | 0 |
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| 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 |

Rare/Common:
Mace of Zeus/Phoenix Down: (1,6) [Panel of height 0~]
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (2,15) [Panel of height 1~]
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (5,3) [Panel of height 1~]
Yoichi Bow/Phoenix Down: (7,9) [Panel of height 4~]

Exits:
(1,1)
(3,11)
(7,8)
(8,2)
(8,8)

5.12 Deep Dungeon 4: VALKYRIES

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15| X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | 9 | 9 | 9 |
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14| X | X | X | X | X | X | X | 8 | 9 | 9 | 9 |
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13| X | X | X | 7 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 9 | 9 | 8 |
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12| 5 | 5 | 7*| 7 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | X | X | X |
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11| 5 | 7 | 7 | 7 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X |
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10| 4 | 7 | 7 | 6 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X |
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9 | 4 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 5 | X | X | X | X |
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8 | X | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 3 | X |
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7 | X | X | X | X | 6 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 3E|
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6 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | 4 | 5 | 5 | 4 |
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5 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | 4 | 4 | 4*| 4*|
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4 | X | X | 3 | 3E| 3 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 4*| X | X |
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3 | X | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | X | X | X | X | X |
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2 | X | 2 | 2E| 2 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X |
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1 | X | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1E| 1 | 1 | X | X | X | X |
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0 | X | X | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1E| X | X | X | X |
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| 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10|

Rare/Common:
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (2,12) [Panel of height 7]
Faith Rod/Phoenix Down: (8,4) [Panel of height 4]
Fairy Harp/Phoenix Down: (9,5) [Panel of height 4]
Kaiser Plate/Phoenix Down: (10,5) [Panel of height 4]

Exits:
(2,2)
(3,4)
(4,1)
(6,0)
(10,7)

5.13 Deep Dungeon 5: MLAPAN

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10| 7 | 9 | 10| 10| 10| 11| 11|
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9 | 7 | 7 | 10| 10| 11| 11| 11|
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8 | 6 | 7 |18*| 18| 18| 12| 12|
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7 | 6 | 6 | 17| 18| 18| 12| 12|
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6 | 3 | 5 | 17| 17| 17| 13| 13|
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5 | 2 | 5 | 17| 16| 13| 13| 13|
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4 | 2 | 2 | 2 |10E| 10| 0 | 0E|
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3 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
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2 | 0 | 0E| 1 | 1 | 0E| 0 | 0 |
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1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
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0 | 1*| 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1E|
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| 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 |

Rare/Common:
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (0,0) [Panel of height 1]
Iga Knife/Phoenix Down: (0,11) [Panel of height 7]
Excalibur/Phoenix Down: (2,8) [Panel of height 18]
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (6,11) [Panel of height 11]

Exits:
(1,2)
(3,4)
(4,2)
(6,0)
(6,4)

suite...

5.14 Deep Dungeon 6: TIGER

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9 | 5*| 5*| 5 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 5 | 5 |
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8 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | 5 | 4 | 4 |
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7 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
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6 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
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5 | 3 | 3 | 2E| X | X | X | X | X | X | X |
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4 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 |
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3 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
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2 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | 0E| 0 | 0 |
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1 | 0 | 0 | 0E| 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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0 | 0E| 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0E|
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| 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 |

Rare/Common:
Secret Clothes/Phoenix Down: (0,9) [Panel of height 5]
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (0,10) [Panel of height 5]
Cursed Ring/Phoenix Down: (1,9) [Panel of height 5]
Blast Gun/Phoenix Down: (1,10) [Panel of height 5]

Exits:
(0,0)
(2,1)
(2,5)
(7,2)
(9,0)

5.15 Deep Dungeon 7: BRIDGE

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12| 0~| 0 | 7 | 9 |12*| 12| 4 | 4 | 3 |
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11| 0~| 0~| 8 | 12| 12| 12| 4 | 4 | 2 |
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10| 1 | 1 | X | 13|13*| X | 3 | 3 | 2 |
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9 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 12| 4 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 2 |
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8 | 2 | 2 | 2E| 7 | 6 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 2 |
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7 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 7 | 7 | 7 | 2 | 2 |
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6 | 2 | 2~| 9 |11~| 7 | 7E| X | 3 | 3 |
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5 | 2~| 2~| 8 | 13| 11| 5 | 4 | 3 | 3 |
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4 | 2~| 3 | 3 | 13|12*| 5 | 4 | 4 | 3 |
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3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 10| 10| 9 | X | 4 | 2 |
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2 | X | 3 | 3 | 3 | 5E| 7 | 7 | 2 | 2 |
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1 | 0 | 0 | X | 3 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
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0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
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| 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 |

Rare/Common:
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (4,4) [Panel of height 12]
Sage Staff/Phoenix Down: (4,10) [Panel of height 13]
Koga Knife/Phoenix Down: (4,12) [Panel of height 12]
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (4,14) [Panel of height 10]

Exits:
(0,14)
(2,8)
(2,13)
(4,2)
(5,6)

5.16 Deep Dungeon 8: VOYAGE

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11| 3 | 3 | X | 11| 11| 11| 11| 8 | X | X | X | X | X |

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10| X | 3E| 3*| 10| 11| 11| 11| 11| 11| 11| 9E| X | X |

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9 | X | 3 | 3 | X | 11| 11| 11| 11| 11| 11| 11| 11| 9 |

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8 | X | 3 | 3 | 3*| X | 11| 11| 11| 11| 11| 11| 11| 11|

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7 | X | X | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3*| X | 11| 11| 11| 11| 11|

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6 | X | X | X | X | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3*| X | 11| 11| 11|

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5 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | 3 | 3E| 4 | 11| 11| 10|

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4 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | 3 | 4 | 11| 11| 10|

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3 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | 4 | 4 | X | 10| 10|

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2 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | 4 | 4 | 4 | 7 | 9 |

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1 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | 3 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 |

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0 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | 3 | 3 | 5 | 5 |

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Rare/Common:
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (2,10) [Panel of height 3]
Ragnarok/Phoenix Down: (3,8) [Panel of height 3]
Robe of Lords/Phoenix Down: (6,7) [Panel of height 3]
Perseus Bow/Phoenix Down: (8,6) [Panel of height 3]

Exits:
(0,13)
(1,10)
(1,13)
(8,5)
(10,10)

5.17 Deep Dungeon 9: HORROR

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10| X | 1 | 2E| 2 | 8 | 8 | 7 | 7 | 7 | 7 |
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9 | X | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 7 | 7 |
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8 | X | 1 | 1 | X | 2*| 8*| 1 | 1 | 7 | 7 |
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7 | 1 | 1 | 1 | X | 9 | 9 | X | 1 | 6 | 6 |
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6 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 6 | 6 |
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5 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 9 | 9 | 3 | 3 | 5 | 6 |
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4 | 1 | 2 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | X | X | 5 | 5 |
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3 | 1 | 1 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | X | X | 5 | 5 |
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2 | 1 | 1 | X | X | 2E| 2 | X | X | 4E| 4*|
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1 | X | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2*| X | X | X |
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0 | X | 1E| 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2E| X | X | X |
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Rare/Common:
Venetian Shield/Phoenix Down: (4,8) [Panel of height 2]
Grand Helmet/Phoenix Down: (5,8) [Panel of height 8]
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (6,1) [Panel of height 2]
Maximillian/Phoenix Down: (9,2) [Panel of height 4]

Exits:
(1,0)
(2,10)
(4,2)
(6,0)
(8,2)

5.18 Deep Dungeon 10: END

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10| X | X | 13| 13| 13|15*| 15|15*| X | X | X | X | X |

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9 | X | 12| 12| 13| 13| 13| X | X | X | 1 | 1 | 1 | X |

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8 | X | 12| 12| 12| X | X | X | X | X | 1 | 1 | 1 | X |

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7 | 11| 12| 12| 12| X | X | X | X | X | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 |

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6 | 11| 11| 9 | X | X | X | X | X | X | X | 2 | 2 | 2 |

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5 | 11| 11| 9 | X | X | X | X | X | X | 3 | 3 | 2 | 2 |

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4 | X | 9 | 9 | 9 | X | X | X | X | X | 3 | 3 | 3 | X |

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3 | X | 9 | 9 | 8 | 8 | 7 | X | 5 | 5 | 3 | 3 | 3 | X |

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2 | X | X | 8 | 8 | 7 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | X | X |

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1 | X | X | X | 5 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 5 | X | X | X |

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0 | X | X | X | X | X | 6 | 6 | 6 | X | X | X | X | X |

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Rare/Common:
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (5,10) [Panel of height 15]
Chirijiraden/Phoenix Down: (5,12) [Panel of height 15]
Chaos Blade/Phoenix Down: (7,10) [Panel of height 15]
Elixir/Phoenix Down: (7,12) [Panel of height 15]

Merci vraiment sympa

Bon il me reste plus qu´a recommencer le jeu,mais bon je vais le finir sans le Deep Dungeon,puis je le re-finirais avec

Et avec quelques codes si j´en ai l´occasion^^

j´ai des truc avec comment placer la carte du deep dungeon pour reperer les coordonees :

http://rpgamma.free.fr/index/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=20

voila j´espere que sa t´aidera et en plus il est en francais